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What's a Y1 engineer worth?
Frank
Posted: Tuesday, June 19, 2012 6:09 PM
Joined: 06/05/2012
Posts: 8


What is a Y1 engineer worth?
Andy
Posted: Tuesday, June 19, 2012 11:43 PM
Joined: 30/11/2009
Posts: 3


not sure to be honest, I am being told that 8-9,000 euros per month is not anywhere near enough on a couple of jobs we have had listed recently. I would be interested to hear what others have to say
Chief
Posted: Tuesday, June 19, 2012 11:44 PM
Joined: 02/06/2008
Posts: 342


Worth or paid? They are all too often two different metrics.

Henning
Posted: Tuesday, June 19, 2012 11:51 PM
Joined: 01/06/2008
Posts: 1064


That would depend on the individual, some are worthless, some are worth their weight in gold.

Andy
Posted: Wednesday, June 20, 2012 12:12 AM
Joined: 30/11/2009
Posts: 3


maybe the question should be: If I need to hire a Y1 engineer, what should I be offering in order to get someone who can do the job?
Anonymous
Posted: Wednesday, June 20, 2012 12:40 AM
What's a Master 3000 Captain worth???
captpage
Posted: Wednesday, June 20, 2012 1:39 AM
Joined: 19/10/2008
Posts: 38


Being chief engineer (usa) the old rate is 80 ft is 80k a year - 225 ft is 125k a year 280 ft is 155k a year All you captains are going to disagree but being a captain myself that is why I stay in engineering...you can leave without a capt. but you can not leave without an engineer. MCA and others are not paying fair and the real owners are paying for professionals and not short changing their vessel. The Engineers save the day....bottom line. captpage@msn.com - 305-307-4001 I make money for the vessel and mysef - Page
Rusty Wrench
Posted: Wednesday, June 20, 2012 1:41 AM
Joined: 21/09/2010
Posts: 207


All depends on the rate of pay;

 

The 'going rate', or

 

The 'staying rate'

 

 


Tom D
Posted: Wednesday, June 20, 2012 2:53 AM
Joined: 14/12/2010
Posts: 1


Having worked as a chief engineer for many years on almost every type of vessel, I think that in general yacht engineers are grossly underpaid for what they are expected to do. I am now semi retired but have been working on research vessels part time. They usually pay less than commercial vessels but I'm  still making $13,000 to $15,000+ per month as a relief. I usually have at least 2 assistants and worked on one larger vessel with 10 of us in the engineering dept.

DannyB.
Posted: Wednesday, June 20, 2012 3:59 AM
Joined: 06/11/2011
Posts: 4


I'm unlicensed on a 114' making around $7000.00 a month.. Paper is less important than experience.. Find a boat that has an owner that eats with you at the same table and you'll be set... This is only my opinion.
DannyB.
Posted: Wednesday, June 20, 2012 4:03 AM
Joined: 06/11/2011
Posts: 4


Well, paper is important! Just saying some will value what you have to offer, more than others...
Anonymous
Posted: Wednesday, June 20, 2012 9:46 AM
Well, 10 000 euros per months. if you have a class 1 commercial (chief engineer), most yacht captain's have small licence (3000 gt). So come on...
SBC
Posted: Wednesday, June 20, 2012 9:48 AM
Joined: 14/10/2008
Posts: 33


Capt. page: although I do think that your salary for the larger vessels seems right, I do not think you are going to find any 80 foot yacht who will pay 80k for an engineer - wont even have one today.
Anonymous
Posted: Wednesday, June 20, 2012 12:41 PM
Although you might think that experience is more important than a license, I'm afraid I must disagree with you to a certain extent.

I license means nothing unless:

It is required by Maritime Law
It is required by Port State control
It is required by the Insurance company
The vessel is on charter
The vessel has an accident be it collision, grounding, or oil spill

A license is also used to determine a base level of understanding.



ratpack
Posted: Wednesday, June 20, 2012 4:17 PM
Joined: 03/03/2011
Posts: 100


As a Y3, I make 10k USD a month and turned down many jobs paying less before this one surfaced. As a Y1, I would expect at least 12k USD. More of a concern is which ticketed engineers are accepting jobs paying much less ???
johannes_engineer
Posted: Wednesday, June 20, 2012 4:44 PM
Joined: 30/09/2008
Posts: 1


Let it be said that a Y1 gets awarded by the MCA. The Engineer is a lot more worth than the troubleshooting and faultfinding abilities he displays. The MCA expects more than technical know how of an Engineer.There are statutory obligations, Classification requirements, an understanding of the marine industry and tolerance of the hotel industry as well as a good technical understanding of multiple disciplines such as IT, AV and internet at sea and networking, Hydraulics, Mechanics, electrics, electronics, diesel, outboards, plumbing, HVAC, to name a few. Combine all these specialities in one person and that person would be worth specialist salaries of yes all of those specialists added up! Now how much do you think one person can manage in the time frame given between charter turnarounds? Therefore as the engineering department is always short staffed the engineer must be able to manage both the contractors he brings on board, as well as prioritise the outstanding jobs. Further, the Y1 Engineer gets awarded this qualification after a specified time at sea and multiple exams, oral and written. Therefore the person should have the specialist knowledge that demands a salary of a specialist. Some yacht engineers do not have formal technical training outside of the
MCA modules. These guys may perhaps not display the best troubleshooting and problem solving skills as the engineers who does have formal apprenticeships but they definitely should have all the knowledge required to run a yacht as an engineer w.r.t. the law. This alone is a money saver to any vessel. Not many persons have a technical or logical enough mind nor the tolerant personality to specialise as a yacht Engineer. Let's not ask how much much the Y1 Engineer is worth because that cost will grossly out way the salaries paid to Yacht Engineers. Off coarse different levels of competence deserve different levels of remuneration. As there are not many engineers out there, it should be obvious that the job is not an easy one, otherwise everybody would be doing it...

www.marinepro.co.uk
Posted: Wednesday, June 20, 2012 8:13 PM
Joined: 13/07/2008
Posts: 32


MCA Master 3000 GT...
usually Yachts sized above 80m-90m, reasonably above 12-14k considering nowadays economic crisis echoes still present. Actually I know a few boats this size paying half and less even for MCA Master Mariners Class I unlimited Captains like me.

Regards
Iv

Anonymous
Posted: Wednesday, June 20, 2012 9:05 PM
The right candidate is worth what ever he is asking. The hard part is determining who is best suited for the boat. There are plenty of Y3 engineers on 14k + pm, Y2 and Y1 engineers who are on substantially more. (admitted they are good at there job). They stay with the vessel a longer time than most.

So the question should be, do you want an engineer that will stay with you for a long time, giving good service to the vessel and loyalty to you and the Vessel. Or do you want someone to fill a gap, and you don’t care how long they stay.

Not Saying you need to fork out that kind of funds, but it will help getting more good candidate’s to interview and keeping them for longer periods.

If you want good quality long service (4+ years) pay well. If you only care about keeping someone for a season and don’t care if the boat is still floating at the end of it pay less.

In my view a good Y1 is worth 16k + per month.

You will find guys who are not all about the money, few and far between though. Sometimes a good program with Great Captain is worth more to an engineer as the stress is a lot less. (And the Captain is the biggest cause of stress for an Engineer) The whole package needs to be considered, The Captain, Crew atmosphere, Owner’s attitude, the program, Health care, Time off, Pay rate. In that order of Priority.


Anonymous
Posted: Wednesday, June 20, 2012 10:31 PM
Please don’t take the comment on the cause of stress for and engineer as a negative. Merely stating the obvious that the captain has the highest stress to deal with, when the 2 get along well there a lot less stress on the captain as well as little stress for the engineer. Therefore happier both ways. This applies to engineers who are not all about the money. Those that are all about the money quite often don’t care.

 
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