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Train me, don’t mistreat me
Posted: Sunday, December 12, 2010 5:36 PM
Train me, don’t mistreat me. -- There appears to be a great deal of insecure people working on yachts that are unwilling to share their knowledge. Where this insecurity stems from is beyond me, because training people is a positive thing to do. Since joining my current yacht my confidence level has dropped a long with my motivation, I am constantly left in the dark, given zero responsibility and regularly humiliated or intimidated by my team leader. When I interviewed for this job I’d already heard rumors about my boss and the high turn over of crew and really wish I’d gone with my gut feelings and not taken this job because I am tired of being mistreated only because I am green.
Posted: Sunday, December 12, 2010 7:18 PM
Hey there, I read your post and could't help but find the similarities of a situation I found myself in during my first yacht job. Took the job because it came in a pretty package, despite the rumors about a volatile captain and unusually high crew turnover. The worse it got, I kept telling myself that if I stuck it out the rewards of actual experience, pay, and courses paid for by the boat would soon come. I also felt like there was this air of insecurity, like knowledge was withheld for some reason. In retrospect, I think the supervisors under the captain were insecure about their jobs because they had seen so many crew go for illegitimate reasons. Flash forward a month and myself and another crew leave the boat. It was the best feeling ever. 3 months later 2 more crew leave. When I ran into a few old crew later on, they said I looked different, better...the difference? I was happily working on another boat learning and gaining responsibility! Sticking it out with a captain or immediate supervisor that is unpredictable or withholds information is a waste of time. If you are honest in your next interview and say you left because you were mistreated and not taught new skills, you will be met with respect -- and that's the kind of person you want to work for. Yes, all captians and crew have their quarks and things they are particular about. But, a captain that refuses to teach, takes kick-backs, belittles, and says doesn't pay crew to think should not be given the privilege of your time and hard work. Go with your gut, leave if it's what you should do. No one is going to keep your best interests in mind except you. I hope this helps.
Posted: Tuesday, December 14, 2010 8:36 PM
Unfortunally this game is full of young kids(females or males), who dosen't know about respect for anyone,and they believe because are mates or bosuns on a 50 mts. vessel...they got the rigth to shout or mistreat other, probably to put online this person with education, and tell them you are my boss, not my mom or dad ,wich they can kick me in the ass... best regards and good waves
Posted: Wednesday, December 15, 2010 1:10 PM
Joined: 13/10/2010
Posts: 6

This kind of situation is a shame. It is insecurity and it happens in the yachting world and in other careers as well. It really makes no sense when your not even being trained for the same position as you trainer. This mentality aboard is a big red flag from day one. It indicates something really wrong with the energy and emotional stability onboard. You did the right thing getting out. Interesting how your mates told you how you looked better, healthier after you left, mmmm....
Posted: Wednesday, December 15, 2010 5:30 PM
I have tried to train all my crew. But the reality is they don't want to listen, or be trained....They want money for nothing. Dayworkers to do the work, longer coffee breaks, finish early and to know where all the bars are. Long gone are the days where you stayed an hour after work to learn a new task or hung out on the bridge after your watch to learn something new, or volunteer to do do the route plan on the weekend. When you try to show a crew member something nowadays you get, I know I know, and when you come back to check they have done the task poorly, if not incorrectly altogether and are no-where to be found. So the next day you go to the site, try to explain (AKA train )again and you get, I know, I, sooner or later you get yelled at.....Read the awl grip book at night, check out websites in your spare time like teak maintenance etc. We can only train you so far at work with the time given, some of it lies on your own head. If you don't listen, sooner or later it's, polish or tank for you. Then when you cry about that you get fired. Lots of people are willing to train, it is in their advantage for you to be knowledgable. But you have to be willing to listen and learn.
Posted: Monday, December 20, 2010 10:33 AM
S.O.S training doctrine - On the job training is literally a Sink Or Swim (SOS) scenario when it comes to yachts and the sooner greenhorns understand this the better, because nobody can help you more than yourself and believe me what is learnt the hard way is never forgotten. Nothing worth having comes easy and nothing is truer than this when it comes knowledge. Some of the greatest lessons in life come from difficult times and knowing this simple fact will enable you to succeed when others fail. I work under an insecure Chief Engineer, that believes training people hurts the boat, because people either leave or try to take the Chiefs job once they have learned the ropes. I don’t agree, because more harm is done to the boat when people are deficient in their duties. Either way I am in a situation where I do what I can to learn something new each day by applying my current knowledge on the job. I am always reading drawings, manuals and stick close to specialist technicians when they come onboard. The irony of my team leaders insecurity is his attitude and working ethos, on one hand he refuses to hand feed people information and on the other he does nothing but complain about peoples incompetence. In the end the Chief will be right about one thing, when I know the ropes I’ll definitely leave. Not because I want his job, but because I loath working with him and feel that everything I learn is an outcome of my actions, if anything he has shown me complete disrespect and therefor lost my loyalty. P.S. - I ask questions and get few answers, I am regularly in trouble for taking action when certain situations arise. Its impossible to be responsible on the job when you initiative is seen as a negative thing and presented with this lose, lose situations where you are always wrong and the Chief is always right. If I am having a bad day, dealing with trouble on the home front etc I keep quiet. My Chief lashes out at me and everyone like an old dog and this kills team moral and has everyone walking on egg shells. Why do employers keep people like this even if they can do the job as an individual, isn't yachting all about teamwork and doing things right? I am on a very large boat working as an assistant engineer. So no I am not a greenhorn if you are wondering. Bigger is not always better it seems, especially when dealing with old school crew that think commercial is where its at. Perhaps he should go back on commercial ships and let clean and organized people run yachts.
Posted: Monday, December 20, 2010 4:04 PM
Joined: 02/06/2008
Posts: 342

You were doing so well until those final lines ...


"Bigger is not always better it seems, especially when dealing with old school crew that think commercial is where its at. Perhaps he should go back on commercial ships and let clean and organized people run yachts."


I am not pleased to hear that you have to endure working for an insecure bully. He may be that way because that is how he was trained, or he might be that way because he is fundamentally incompetent or just "one ship stupid" which means he learned how to run that boat but doesn't know why and can't risk having to explain it.


Having a commericial background or coming up through the yacht hawespipe has nothing to do with your problem or his. Incompetent people come from all sources. Your blaming his behaviour on him coming to yachting from a commercial background is as ignorant as his alleged unwillingness to mentor you. It sounds like your own attitude toward him is not helping your cause either.


What kind of information do you want "hand fed" to you? Is it something that a reasonable chief would expect a competent assistant to bring to the engine department? Mentoring does not mean spoon feeding fundamental engineering knowledge to people who claim the title and salary of a marine engineer.


I don't mean to attack you or blindly support the chief but those last lines do beg the question of how the other side of this story would read.

Posted: Friday, March 18, 2011 5:47 PM
Wow. I am shocked at some of the ignorance shown in this thread. At least, what I've found, is that you cant label someone's bad behavior according to age/race/sex/background. People are people and will have different faults. My advice, Put people that are not willing to teach behind you and find a way to learn. There are always people around to help. The other side of it is do you inspire people to teach you? Are you leaving the industry at the end of the year? There's often another side to it. So make sure you're doing everything right and if still no avail. Make a move.
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